I invite all such people to really think about what Hezbollah is all about and what the aim of this party is for real.
The "Party of God" has an ideology deeply rooted in religious beliefs. Hezbollah fighters fight for God, for Islam - not for a country, a nation or an independence. The fact that all Hezbollah fighters are firm believers eases the task of their leaders - mostly muslim clerics. The likes of Hassan Nasrallah, Naim Kassem or Nabil Kaouk are considered by their followers as spiritual, political and military leaders. The power of any of those leaders has a divine dimension. Their recommendations are orders, and any attack or criticism of their persons is an anti-islam violation. We still all remember how Hezbollah partisans invaded the Christian districts of Beirut (Ashrafieh - Ain el Remmaneh - Sodeco) and attacked everything around them while cursing Samir Geagea, the Lebanese Forces, the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC), but most importantly - they did not mind cursing Christian Holy Saints and even Jesus Christ. All this happened because Hassan Nasrallah was imitated in Bassmet el Watan show on LBC. For their leaders, Hezbollah followers are ready to attack co-citizens, to break cars and shops... and to burn a country.
Hassan Nasrallah and local Hezbollah leaders are not the only personalities with whom shia Lebanese fighters identify. The commitment of Hezbollah fighters goes beyond the Lebanese boundaries: Shia spiritual leaders in both Iraq and Iran are also people admired and followed by the Lebanese Shias - the majority of whom have either Iraqi or Irani origins (Hassan Nasrallah himself is Iraqi by origin).
Muqtada el Sader, Ali el Sistani or Ali Khamenei have surely more influence on Hezbollah fighters than any non-Shia Lebanese official. That is what shows that the war of Hezbollah is a religious one - not a patriotic one.
If serving the Shia Islam interest requires attacking Israel, then Hezbollah would do that. Even if all Lebanon would be burned because of those attacks, Hezbollah would not stop them; because Lebanon is not the "end product" that Hezbollah wants to defend - The Shia Islam is.
It would not matter if Siniora's government looses: it will be another loss for democracy, another loss for the West, another loss for the US in their fight against Teheran. Hezbollah is fighting for Iran against the US on Lebanese soil.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei repeatedly interfered in the war's affairs, inviting Hezbollah partisans to continue the fight till the end. He does not care about Lebanon, this small country with Christian and Sunni communities (all seen as enemies). He just wants a first win against the West. Iran was cornered. So was Syria's Baathist regime. Today, no one mentions them anymore. Hezbollah deviated the whole international attention from the affairs of Teheran and Damascus and weakened the pro-democracy government in Lebanon.
What is the best way to gather young people to fight for such a cause? Religion. Hezbollah fighters are performing an Islamic Jihad - not patriotic actions to get back a land or to liberate prisoners.
Throughout its small history, Hezbollah has always served Irani/Syrian anti-Western purposes. It is not more than a coincidence that some of their actions led to pro-Lebanon results like the 2000 liberation for example. It happened that Syrian/Irani interests overlapped with Lebanese ones at some limited points in time.
1983: Hezbollah contributed to the attacks against the Marines
1984: Hezbollah Attacks Multinational Forces,including The French In First Place
Who Found The Body of Micheal Suerra? Who Killed Him ?
Who Harshly Faced The Lebanese Forces In East Said In 1985?
Who Killed The Lebanese jew scientists in the mid 1980s?
Who Assassinated Moustapha Geha?
Whose Intelligence Was Meant To Support The Syrians In The Bombing Of Saydit El Najat Church, Zouk Mikael, 1994?
Today, Hezbollah's fight is/will not be limited to Israel. In a recent interview in the Guardian, Sayed Ali, a Hezbollah local leader/cleric in Tyre said it all; one of his best and most revealing give aways was the following:
And even when the battle with the Israelis is over, he adds menacingly, Hizbullah will have other battles to fight. "The real battle is after the end of this war. We will have to settle score with the Lebanese politicians. We also have the best security and intelligence apparatus in this country, and we can reach any of those people who are speaking against us now. Let's finish with the Israelis and then we will settle scores later."
Irani and Indonesian fighters recently joined Hezbollah in their attacks in South Lebanon. Why those countries? Because Hezbollah is fighting for Islam - Sacred Jihad.
I am Lebanese. I am Not Muslim. Hezbollah is not fighting for me. Even worse, the intentions and interests of the knowingly "Islamic Resistance" (All Hezbollah leaders call it as such) might turn against me one day. Just ask Sayed Ali... He proudly declares that Hezbollah's intelligence and security apparatus is the best in Lebanon today: no wonder who allowed or even performed attacks against the Christian Voice of Charity in Jounieh or the Christian districts everywhere in the country last year? Any hint about who might be behind the assasination of one of the bravest and brightest Lebanese journalists and Politicians, whose face had been associated with a sheep body in pictures at some pro-Syrian demonstartion in Nabatieh? Rest In Peace Dear Gebran...
59 comments:
Excellent post and great job pointing out the very clear disconnect between Hezbollah and Lebanon's interests.
Now if only we could get the Lebanese government to find a way to make this clear to the Shia in Lebanon.
Nicely said and I agree wholeheartedly! Certainly not a lebanese agenda and i still haven't jumped on their bandwagon, even though bombs fall on our precious country.
In the meantime, It would please us lebanese, as it would the entire world, if Israel would please stop it with their Germanesque behavior. Their military objective is completely and utterly suspect. Since when do Donkeys carry katusha rockets. Leaflets you say? Hmmm...bet if Hitler dropped leaflets to all the jews just before getting gassed most could have got away. I swear they won't be satisfied until South Lebanon is a concentration camp.
My beautiful people of lebanon of all sects, brace yourself my friends, Israel is just beginning to smell blood and the worse is yet to come.
L.P.
So it took you a month to get up the courage to finally speak some truth ?
What Happened ?
Better late than never I suppose ,but you are dead wrong about Hezbollah being the party of God .As I wrote many times before and as any sensible soul can see by their intolerance ,hate and drive to destroy Israel ;"They are religious the Party of Satan"
BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER.
I THINK THE LEBANESE PROVERB GOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS: ANA W KHAYEH 3A IBN 3AMMEH, W ANA W IBN 3AMMEH 3AL GHARIB.
WELL HZBALLAH IS IBN 3AMMEH.
cedar guardian,
ARE YOU A SUPPORTER OF THE GUARDIANS OF THE CEDAR? IF YOU ARE THEN NO WONDER YOU WROTE THIS ARTICLE.
I am currently doing a PhD on Hizbullah, and I have to disagree with a few things that you have stated. For Hizbullah the fight is for Lebanon, and eventhough they got their ideology-or part of it-from Iran and Khomeni does not mean that are more attached or affliated with Iran then their own people. Hizbullah has never fought for anything other then Lebanese land and people. They have always stressed and readdressed this idea that people beleive that they are fighting for a bigger shite idea. Khomeni started that...and that was HIS idea...Hizbullah has never stated taht to be their cause...and from their actions one can see that this is not the case.
I am not defending them or anything like that...please do not get me wrong...but do not undermine their ideology in such a supperfical understanding of it.
the propaganda and lies come fast and furious as the devils come out of the woodwork to rescue their party of satan. Of course everyone knows that Hezbollah get their orders from Iran and Syria.
For an educated idiot like lulwa to say otherwise reveals the deep pathology which drives this evil religious force birthed in hell.
Hezbollah's sole purpose and drive is to destroy Israel ,and I'm sure the idiot pathological liar and propagandist lulka has lewft this out of her devious paper.
If things are so bad in Beirut why did the herd of swine also known as the Arab League meet there in safety ? The airport is very busy there !
was " khamenie" the only political figure who asked HA to fight ?!?!?!
was Shiea figures only ppl who asked HA to fight ?!?!
Im living in Kuwait. in last 20 years i never seen a Pic of Hassan nassrala here. today ive noticed a resturant owner put his picture on Front !!
Cedar Guardian, Go lie down and hug some cedars. Your ignorance is only matched by your sectarian nonsense.
Yes CG, The glorious defender of God, Doktor Geagea only fights for Lebanon. Also that Palestinian murderous leader of the Guardians of the Cedar, Etienne Saqr only fights for Lebanon. Get a reality check .
thats a pretty good post i must say...
i myself have tried telling my friends the samething, but the only thing i get are the "your either with us or against us" type remarks...
its rather annoying
And who killed Rafik Hariri.
Does anyone in Lebanon actually believe that that fat pig Nasrallah didn't know what was going on? He ran the hood for the Baathists.
Yes Allahu Akhar. That's what it's all about. The same stuff that's mired the rest of that part of the world in the shit that they always find themselves in.
Only Lebanon is different. It wasn't just the Shias or Sunni Muslims stomping on anything that wasn't Muslim like in Iraq, or Iran or any other sand box in the region. The ethnic diversity (i.e.not orthodox Muslim--either version) is what nurtured tolerance amongst all, in a sea of insanity.
May Lebanon be protected from such nefarious forces of evil like the party of "God'. What an inversion.
At last some words of wisdom.
I really stoped believing you would ciese with your unti Israeli propoganda and start talking about the real cause for this war.
LEBANESE PEOPLE.
Help us rid your country of the party of satan. This is a once in a lifetime opprotunity. This is the chance for a true indipendce of Lebanon. This is a chance to be the first real Arab democracy.
Help us kill Hizzbolah and you shall have your freedom.
Without subtracting anything from the severity of the crimes of Israeli governments and their long term stupid aggressive policy in the region, Hizbullah is the main responsible for the current destruction of Lebanon. Without their attacks on Israel during the last six years there would not have been a war today.
This is so obvious.
Therefore, the fact that smart Lebanese writers, living in the most liberal and democratic country in the Arab world, can tell this truth only under nicknames, makes me very pessimistic about the future of this region.
While Lebanon's leaders were abroad during this conflict, they had the opportunity to denounce Hezbollah and wake up the entire world to the danger. Now, even though they may prattle the Hezbollah line, unless they are Hezbollah themselves they will meet their end in some assassination or accident that Hezbollah will blame on Israel or the West.
They might as well be brave now, rather than cower in Hezbollah's shadow to be eliminated later. Will they do it?
LP
Thank you for having the courage to call HZ out for what it really is. I think a big part of this situation is the Muslim/Arab idea that this is a civilizational conflict against the west. Thats a scary thought, and I dont know too many people that want to wage a holy war against the muslims.
The lens through which we view this conflict becomes incredibly important to finding a solution.
I think certain ideas like 'hyper-assabiya' (the obsessivly exclusive tribal mentality of US vs everyone else) and the glorification of god through violence, will never be solved through negotiations because the people who hold these beliefs consider dialogue itself to be blaspheme.
Lebanese lives are precious-
"bet if Hitler dropped leaflets to all the jews just before getting gassed most could have got away. I swear they won't be satisfied until South Lebanon is a concentration camp."
Is it satisfying to compare the Israelis to nazis?
Hitler never dropped leaflets because he tried to exterminate the jews. Israel's attacks on infrastructure are a direct result of not wanting civilian cassualties. As horrible as having city blocks and buildings destroyed, they can be rebuilt.
I wish more people would reject this cynical notion that just because many arabs and persians are ok living with vicious murderers in their midst, that Israel should be ok with it as well.
The sad thing for now is that it doesnt seem like the bombing will end anytime soon. A lebanese force without a large international backbone, is not capable of disarming hazbullah on their own.
Another poster suggested that it would take an attack from the pals or any other sect, and the lebanese army would be held accountable and sent to the slaughter.
Ben S.
Marcel said...
L.P.
So it took you a month to get up the courage to finally speak some truth ?
What Happened ?
Better late than never I suppose ,but you are dead wrong about Hezbollah being the party of God .As I wrote many times before and as any sensible soul can see by their intolerance ,hate and drive to destroy Israel ;"They are religious the Party of Satan"
Wed Aug 09, 02:51:22 AM PDT
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You did nt notice that its not L.P. ?? Its another person who appears on the list of the blog members
cedar-guardian must be high on something...
too many speculations? too many weird stories?
I cannot debate u on ur opinion so i will try to reveal some hallucinations which infected ur text:
"We still all remember how Hezbollah partisans invaded the Christian districts of Beirut (Ashrafieh - Ain el Remmaneh - Sodeco) and attacked everything around them while cursing Samir Geagea, the Lebanese Forces, the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC), but most importantly - they did not mind cursing Christian Holy Saints and even Jesus Christ."
i was in Monot which is right on the edge of ashrafieh between 10pm and 2am. I saw nothing. where did u get all those stories? did u hear them saying profanity against Christ of Christian holy places? either u r trying to incite sectarian strife or u r not too smart..
"1983: Hezbollah contributed to the attacks against the Marines
1984: Hezbollah Attacks Multinational Forces,including The French In First Place
Who Found The Body of Micheal Suerra? Who Killed Him ?
Who Harshly Faced The Lebanese Forces In East Said In 1985?
Who Killed The Lebanese jew scientists in the mid 1980s?
Who Assassinated Moustapha Geha?
Whose Intelligence Was Meant To Support The Syrians In The Bombing Of Saydit El Najat Church, Zouk Mikael, 1994?"
1983 and 1984 was islamic jihad. it is questionable if they are the same as hizbullah.
Robert Brown, an Ex-CIA operative in Lebanon at that time makes a distinction between the 2. still i can't argue more than that.
who faced the lebanese forces? i think u r completely mistaken here. it was the palestinians. and had it not been for the shiites (mainly amal), the massacres would have more extensive.
saydit al najat church? i think it was the LF. i doubt it was anyone but LF. what does hizbullah have to do in bombing a church in keserwan?
"Irani and Indonesian fighters recently joined Hezbollah in their attacks in South Lebanon. "
yeah of course.. bin laden is among them as well? did u hear of the KSA imam fatwa against hizbullah and shiites in general? did u hear of the al qaeda threat for 9 shiites leaders in lebanon?
where do u get ur stories? from al siyassah or u actually provide them with fat material from ur fertile hallucinations.
imposter
Lulwa said...
I am currently doing a PhD on Hizbullah, and I have to disagree with a few things that you have stated. For Hizbullah the fight is for Lebanon, and eventhough they got their ideology-or part of it-from Iran and Khomeni does not mean that are more attached or affliated with Iran then their own people. Hizbullah has never fought for anything other then Lebanese land and people. They have always stressed and readdressed this idea that people beleive that they are fighting for a bigger shite idea. Khomeni started that...and that was HIS idea...Hizbullah has never stated taht to be their cause...and from their actions one can see that this is not the case.
I am not defending them or anything like that...please do not get me wrong...but do not undermine their ideology in such a supperfical understanding of it.
Wed Aug 09, 03:23:36 AM PDT
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You should nt work so hard at your PhD. Nasrallah himself said a few days ago about his leading this fight for the whole nation of islam. I just imagine how the christians and druz were excited by this idea.
Excellent post CG. I totally agree.
"WELL HZBALLAH IS IBN 3AMMEH. "
Well Zbeletallah is ibn ayre
Lebanese Lives Are Precious said: "if Israel would please stop it with their Germanesque behavior" - are you willfully dense or just stupid?? How does comparing the Israelis to the Nazis help anything? It's not even accurate. Hezb'allah is closer to Nazi ideology than Israel ever was, and do you REALLY expect the Jews to just march to the deaths Hizb'allah wants for them quietly??
If this guy is a moderate, God help you all, because it's patently obvious to anybody outside this conflict that you're all trying to commit suicide. First the Lebanese bleat that they "can't control" Hizb'allah, then a few days later most of the moderates (at least the ones I've seen in blogs on the Net) climb on to the Hizb'allah bandwagon claiming that they're "defending" Lebanon.....sheesh, what a load of crap.
Now, since Israel replaced their top general, you're really gonna see some action....I suspect that the gloves are off now, and Israel isn't gonna give a rat's patoot about human shields anymore and blast right through them. Gee, that's really going to be good for the tourist biz in Lebanon. You think your country is torn up now?? Don't stop Hizb'alla and see what happens.....
I pity you all.
anonymous@08:23,
cool, I pity you too. have you been reading mein Kampf ? because I think what you said could be a great passage of it: "I suspect that the gloves are off now, and Israel isn't gonna give a rat's patoot about human shields anymore and blast right through them."
Next time, try to post under your real name. that will be your next "courage challenge".
Great piece CG ! it's refreshingly interesting. I personally agree with most of the points you stated.
I think, with your permission, I am going to link this article on my blog.
amazing how people always find ways to deny the obvious, huh ? your post is a good reminder of that.
Keep it up CG, I'll be coming again across this blog.
Jean
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Do not agree what u r saying. Sorry
I' m from the south I do not look up to any one in Iran or Syria. I do not belong to any organization; I belong to a free Lebanon and equality for all Lebanese north or south. But I gave up on Lebanon and the Lebanese,
I left in 82 and I will never come back. so u can keep u r Lebanese Sectarian mess of a country. Lebanese people are very sectarian and prejudice against each other
U do not see what the Lebanese and Lebanese government did to the south all those years
For many years the Lebanese government and the Lebanese politician ignored the south and gave little support to the south, The south did not have adequate schools or hospitals.. etc or any adequate support
Why.? Because majority the poor and shias live in the south.
Why they are not Lebanese?
Why the majority were not educated ?
Again becouse of the self serving rich politician. We use to call them the 99 crocks and the boss. All of them took the money and invested some were else.
So in 82 came these groups who provided what the Lebanese government and the Lebanese politician did not provide.
I did not care for this and I was ready to join the Lebanese Forces to free Lebanon from the PLO for what they did in the south and Lebanon with their commandos operation and Israel retaliation killing the people in the south and north. But again Lebanese government, and the corrupt politicians and self serving leaders have other objectives.
It was the Lebanese government, and the corrupt politicians who created these conditions,
Majority of Lebanese Government were self-serving rich people and racist, instead of putting Lebanon first. Each one cared for their sect or self-interest.
It does not mater what sect they were, they are all the same and the new generation is not much different and please don’t mention Samir Geagea, he was one of them too.
Right on with "Germanesque bahavior!"
"Leaflets you say? Hmmm...bet if Hitler dropped leaflets to all the jews just before getting gassed most could have got away."
The comparisons is noted, basically the poor Shia of the south have about the same chance of escaping danger as did the Jews in their concentration camps.
Dropping leaflets...i'd double-over laughing if it weren't for so many innocent people being killed. Leaflets....makes for good PR. They drop leaflets, but then tell you whatever vehicle you choose to escape will be blown to smithereens. If you go by foot, you still might get dumped on. And, where does one go with no water or food. Leaflets...oh yes how thoughtful of you Jews, but then you impose a curfew further reducing any chance to get away. Blood thirsty Yahoodies.
CG,
As Ali notes, Hezbollah is a bit more complex than you're stating.
However, you're hitting on the heart of the problem.
Lebanon is a sectarian country. What Hezbollah says, stands for, and does matters not only in regard to their internal cohesion, but to the country as a whole. Most people who examine the complexity of Hezbollah look primarily at the Shia community.
If one is to examine Hezbollah from the outside, particularly from a Christian perspective, one's conclusion closely mirrors yours. Hezbollah partisans who respond saying that you simply don't understand their organization are disingenuous. They don't understand your political party, and they denigrate your leaders.
The rhetoric could calm down if Hezbollah partisans weren't so willing to use violence against other Lebanese, as in the case of the "insult" against Hassan Nasrallah. That crossed the line.
LF and Aouni fight. LF and Qawmy fight. Jumblatti and Arslani fight. Jafari and Zeitari fight.
It's rare for a fight to break out between sects (although a small tussle occurred this summer at LAU between PSP and Amal). But Hezbollah willing turned against Lebanese, and that's definitely weighing very heavily in the minds of their countrymen.
Hezbollah and many Shia ask that Lebanon understand them. Once this conflict is over and Lebanon is back on the path to reconstruction, it's time that they recognize their strength, lose a few of their insecurities, and start trying to understand the rest of the country.
nobody,
I assumed that LP gave CG permission to post this ?
He's as marked a man as CG for allowing this post on their blog.
ANON 8:23:53 .The gloves are not off yet. Lap dog and chief whimp Olmert has been told by his master, President Bush to exercise restraint again .
When will Israel stop's acting like a slave holding of the U.S. and does as it should have done three weeks ago ,destroy Hezbollah and tell the failed president to butt out with his failed policies ??????????
CG - You are right - However you have so many moron in Lebanon (like the likes of "IF") that I do not see how the country will survive the calamity of Zibballah. Look at the Tayyar with Michel Aooun(Allah) bragging his support for the Zeb..oops!..hezb. And I do not mention the thug called Sleiman Frangie who is a Syrian puppet... Sab and Bad
Actually, both Ali & CG are correct however they address the Lebanon's problem in different time. Ali addresses the cause of today's problem while CG address the cause of tomorrow's problem. If things go the way it is right now with the toothless and corrupted UN, the half hearted measure of Israelis force to smash the Hez, and nobody wanted to stick their neck out to safe guard Lebanon with force (the Nato I mean), consequences will follow, it would be miracle if you can get out of civil war in the near future, especially the outcome of that civil war could turn you guys into a an Iran's satellite.
CG,
very interesting post. what i would like to add to it is that a high ranked U.S Military official was interviewed on C.N.N. couple days ago, and while his interviewer "larry king" was trying all his best to corner him with his questions, the military official slipped some remarkable words and said, i quote : "the U.S has substantial information that the Hizbullah intelligence apparatus conducted the assasination of a former prime minister a little more than a year ago"
Totally agree with your post.
Nicely said.
Cedar-Guardian
I think you’re largely right about Hezbollah, though I think some of lulwa’s reservations are probably correct as well, from what I have seen and read about them. I certainly think they would like to take over Lebanon if they could, and there seems to be great danger of that.
The real question though is what is to be done?
I would think logically you would support the US position on the robust international force lead by the French coming in before Israel withdraws.
The thing is if it isn’t before Israel withdraws then the leverage to get Lebanon/Hezbollah to agree to it coming in at all goes way down.
I don’t think the French led force will disarm Hezbollah by force, but I think it might more reliably verify whether Hezbollah has disarmed than the Lebanese army would, what with 40% Shi’a.
How do you think they can be disarmed?
L.P.
Your never ending fascination with taming home grown ( though admitedly with help from outside) tigers and your excessive confidence about your ability to do it may eventually have a very anti-happyend of you and your country having been eaten.
You underestimate the zeal of hezbollah, me thinks. Nasrallah is not yet the worst type of people to be produced by this organization. I am under impression that the day will come when both israelis and lebanese would miss the man as a very moderate and flexible version of what is coming for them.
In Nasrallah's speech today ,he siad he would turn Lebanon into a graveyard for invading IDF .
His words have already come back to hurt Lebanon badly.
Before Lebanon becomes a graveyard for the Lebanese people,this son of satan should be shut up.
I'm surprised not one Lebanese has had the ability to assassinate him yet ?
In Nasrallah's speech today ,he siad he would turn Lebanon into a graveyard for invading IDF .
His words have already come back to hurt Lebanon badly.
Before Lebanon becomes a graveyard for the Lebanese people,this son of satan should be shut up.
I'm surprised not one Lebanese has had the ability to assassinate him yet ?
I didn't know Hassan Nasrallah was an Iraqi?! Didn't he just go to Iraq to study or something? This is interesting.
if iraq teaches us anything, the killing of nasrallah would do little to progress the political situation, in fact it would probably make things worse. life after zarqawi has proven to be little different than before, that's because you don't need the charismatic face to run the organization. HA takes orders from Iran anyway.
Sinoura made a valid point in a letter featured in the washington post today...
"If Israel would realize that the peoples of the Middle East cannot be cowed into submission, that they aspire only to live in freedom and dignity, it could also be a stepping stone to a final solution of the wider Arab-Israeli conflict, which has plagued our region for 60 years"
victory for israel and the lebanese people won't be won on the battlefield, but over the negotiating table. you can't destroy HA, but you can probably neutralize it politically.
-J
Great post.
Anonymous said:
Sinoura made a valid point in a letter featured in the washington post today...
"If Israel would realize that the peoples of the Middle East cannot be cowed into submission, that they aspire only to live in freedom and dignity, it could also be a stepping stone to a final solution of the wider Arab-Israeli conflict, which has plagued our region for 60 years"
It would be equally valid to exhange the words Israel and Middle East...
It seems to me that many governments/organizations/elites in the region find that it's easier to focus the peoples rage on Israel than actually work to improve their peoples lives in a peaceful, productive and meaningful way. It is my impression that the government of Lebanon was bucking the trend before this conflict started.
Anonymous said:
It is my impression that the government of Lebanon was bucking the trend before this conflict started.
Yes. But not the quasi-government of the state within a state in southern Lebanon known as Hezbollah.
HA takes orders from Iran anyway.
......And Iran & Syria get most of their new and improved weapons from Russia ,missiles from N.Korea.
Lets not forget the Chinese and their Silkworms.
This most surely looks to be shaping up into a war of global proportions as we watch the inept cadre of Kofie and his clowns along with the decaying west usher in Armageddon.
Sinoura's 7 point plan. why doesn't the int'l community think this feasable?
1. An undertaking to release the Lebanese and Israeli prisoners and detainees through the ICRC.
2. The withdrawal of the Israeli army behind the Blue Line, and the return of the displaced to their villages.
3. A commitment from the Security Council to place the Shabaa Farms area and the Kfarshouba Hills under UN jurisdiction until border delineation and Lebanese sovereignty over them are fully settled. While in UN custody, the area will be accessible to Lebanese property owners there. Further, Israel surrenders all remaining landmine maps in South Lebanon to the UN.
4. The Lebanese government extends its authority over its territory through its own legitimate armed forces, such that there will be no weapons or authority other than that of the Lebanese state as stipulated in the Taef national reconciliation document.
5. The UN international force, operating in South Lebanon, is supplemented and enhanced in numbers, equipment, mandate and scope of operation, as needed, in order to undertake urgent humanitarian and relief work and guarantee stability and security in the south so that those who fled their homes can return.
6. The UN, in cooperation with the relevant parties, undertakes the necessary measures to once again put into effect the Armistice Agreement signed by Lebanon and Israel in 1949, and to insure adherence to the provisions of that agreement, as well as to explore possible amendments to or development of said provisions, as necessary.
7. The international community commits to support Lebanon on all levels, and to assist it in facing the tremendous burden resulting from the human, social and economic tragedy which has afflicted the country, especially in the areas of relief, reconstruction and rebuilding of the national economy
My personal opinion is that Arabism and Zionism are two heads of the same coin. I am a Jew by the way. Both movements leadd to the liberation of their respective peoples. However, now they are outdated. We need something else to allow us to fully express our diverse identities of the peoples of the Middle East. The Druze, Maronites, Copts, Sephardim, Ethiopian Jews, Bedouin, Haredim, Assyrians... are all distinct groups who are oppressed by the false dualism of Zionism-Arabism. Also, the Egyptian, Yemenite, Palestinian Arabs... are all so different too.
While neither movement can just simply retire, they need to take a back seat to something new. I don't know what it will be yet, but I'm excited. The historical moment demands a new collective discourse by which we may interpret out own politics and events.
I also represent a group: Jews against War in Lebanon
Check out Jews against War in Lebanon. We have a group on facebook under that name and a blog at http://jewsagainstwarinlebanon.blogspot.com. We oppose the war because we recognize Hizbollah as separate from the state and people of Lebanon and know that only a strong and free Lebanon can prevent Iran and Syria from rearming Hizbollah in the future. We have about 450 members so far, and are planning to run an d in a Lebanese paper expressing our point of view, and will be organizing on campuses this fall, maybe selling shirts through cafepress, and will use our membership base to reach out for peace even after this current war is over.
PEACE bothers
Anonymous [please adopt some forum name to keep clear you says what]
Sinoura's 7 point plan. why doesn't the int'l community think this feasable?
All of it with the possible exception of the landmine maps are in the draft French-US resolution. (And sure landmines should be added but that isn’t the sticking point.)
There are issues of timing and of mechanism. Israel wants to be sure Hezbollah is contained by a credible military force and as well disarms, as agreed to years ago in UN SC resolution 1559, before it withdraws and before it hands over Shebaa farms (which the UN has said is Syrian). There was no mechanism there and nothing happened.
CG ,
Maybe you should have titled your piece ;
'The real fight if IRG/Hezbollah'
I wonder if dead Russian's will turn up shortly ?
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have been found among Hizbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon, Israel's Channel 10 television reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources.
It said the Iranians were identified by documents found on their bodies, but gave no further details on how many were discovered or when. Neither the Israeli military nor Hizbollah representatives in Beirut had immediate comment on the report.
Iran, like fellow Hizbollah patron Syria, insists its support for the Shi'ite guerrilla group is purely moral.
for a minute there I thought lebanon.profile wrote this, but he is never like this.
I always forget that this is a shared blog. oh well...
Lulwa, in your Phd how do you make Hizbollah cells in 20 something countries fit into your Hezbollah only fights for Lebanon. How do you make their participation in the assassination of Iranian dissidents fit into your Hezbollah only fights for Lebanon. How do you make their vast criminal activities (drugs, money counterfeiting etc) fit into your Hezbollah only fights for Lebanon. How do you make their summary executions of those who in theory are “spies” rather than handing them over to the Lebanese authorities fit into your Hezbollah only fights for Lebanon.
And then the following from a Time article about Hezbollah’s internet hijacking with bases overseas, fit into your Hezbollah only fights for Lebanon. Time magazine.
“ noting that Hizballah has resource bases in Indonesia and the tri-border area (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay) of South America”
And in South America how do you fit the murder of Argentinian Jews, not Israelis, and the deaths of other innocent South Americans into your Hezbollah only fights for Lebanon.
"On July 18, 1994, a powerful bomb made of ammonium nitrate was driven in a van through the front gates of the AMIA building in the Once district near downtown Buenos Aires. The building was a seven-story structure which was the headquarters of Argentina's Jewish community. The bomber detonated the bomb, levelling the building and reducing it to rubble, along with nearby buildings.
Eighty-five people died, most of them Jewish. More than three hundred others were wounded. The attack came two years after the 1992 Israeli Embassy Attack in Buenos Aires that killed 29, and a day before a bomber blew himself up on a Panamanian commuter plane, killing 12 Jews and 9 others"
How do you deal with the very real possibility that Hezbollah was part of the murder of Hariri it seems. I for one would get some thing out of understanding why these murders of Hezbollah are for Lebanon and not for Islam
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I do not Recall Israel demanding
That Muslims or Arabs submit to them !!!
Has Israel demanded that Lebanon
come under the rule of Israel ???
Has Israel demanded that Southern Lebanon come under the rule of Israel ???
Would Hezbolla accept French/Jordanian/Egyptian
Force to patrol Southern lebanon ??
I think Not ... Hezbolla will
by force and intimidation and outright murder of fellow Lebanese
takeover Southern Lebanon again.
In less then a week ... the situation will crystalize ...
The UN will offer another proposal ...
Will Hezbolla act in the interest
of Lebanon and accept it or will
they keep crying about occupation ...
So what if Israeli forces spend
another month on Lebanese soil
until an International force
can replace them ... whats the big
deal ... as long as a time frame is established and all violence stops ... Lebanon can use the month
to begin to rebuild
The Israelis just want to be left alone
Also note that Donkey carts
were used in Iraq to launch missliles ....
Missile launcher was towed behind Donkey cart ... cart was left unattended and misslie I believ 5 or 6 were launched remotely.
Hey Marcel ... You do realize
that Bush gives Israel 3 Billion a year in aid ???
Bush calling for restraint refers
to civilian casualties and infastructure which is not relevant
to Hezbolla activities
nothing more Nothing less ....
If you want a rift between the US
and Israel
Thats OK by me as we can use the
3 Billion rennovating
the NYC subway system
The US nor Israel rejects
Hezbolla as a religius/social
movement ... They reject it as
a separate military entity which
wages war against Israel independent of the lebanese Government ....
Hezbolla can spend 500 million
Iranian dollars a year on civilian projects in Southern Lebanon ...
No one cares ...
But they should end their terrorist
activities and make peace with their fellow Lebanese
Or else things will get worse
Suppose Lebanese Parliament votes
to accept a UN proposal ...
But Nasarallah does not
Thats when things begin to get worse in Lebanon
Hezbollah CANNOT spend 500 mil Iranian money on social projects without military significance because Iran will never give them that much, or any money for that matter, without intention to reap dividends. Iran's objective is to replace Saudi Arabia as a "Muslim Representative" of the world, and they do it by talking up Jerusalem importance for Islam and fighting with Israel on Lebanese territory.
Just ONE lebanese demonstration demanding immediate end of the war by attacking Syria and Iran (Hezbollah sponsors) would solve everything. Unfortunately, sorry, Lebanese accepted the role of human shield and an-masse demanded "end to Israeli attacks" - exactly what Hezvollah wanted them to demand.
Sorry, forgot to wish you guys to stay safe - please stay safe. I didn't want to sound disrespectful to you - you keep the ability to analyse things and write sound analysis, that is highly commendable.
If some retarded behaved badly, that doesn't mean HA wants to terrorize other communities.
Also Violence was used against HA manifestations, like in 1993 were 7 were killed. HA didn't take revenge on those on those who fought with Lahd. And they didn't harm their families either. They are not driving in Beirut with weapons on their shoulders.
There is a logic behind this, that "once others do not fear you, you don't have to fear them"
During the civil war, they were fightings between Druze and Christians. And after that, between Christians themselves. Why turn it now as if HA used civil war to create an Islamic republic? As if HA wants that!
And finally, Christians, trough Aoun, have nothing to fear from HA. Any honest, hard working political representative of any community has nothing to fear from HA, or anyone else.
But Mafias that stole the Lebanese government with participation of Syrian security officials, those will fear not just HA, but any honest political leader. There is nothing to fear on a maffiacraty.
CG, what do you think about this article
French: http://www.menapress.com/article.php?sid=1475
English: http://www.menapress.com/article.php?sid=1479
Short quot:
...Each Irano-Syrian fort that Jerusalem destroys, each islamic fighter they eliminate, and Lebanon proportionally starts to live again! Once again, the soldiers of Israel are doing our work. Once again, like in 1982, we are watching – cowardly, lying low, despicable, and insulting them to boot – their heroic sacrifice that allows us to keep hoping...
Regards,
Kreuzerkrieg
Anonymous said... post on satan...
LEBANESE PEOPLE.
Help us rid your country of the party of satan. This is a once in a lifetime opprotunity. This is the chance for a true indipendce of Lebanon. This is a chance to be the first real Arab democracy.
Help us kill Hizzbolah and you shall have your freedom. "
anonymous, (satan guy)ya you!
what is wrong with you?
Satan this Satan that...its rederick no different than that of HA. Express your political views but why use Satan...
It only adds fuel to fires of hatred and bigotry.
Its truly been an eye opening experience to read posts and particpate. I have never realized how prevalant extremism/hate is on all sides.
It would be like watching the KKK in the states be allowed to go mainstream with out anyone standing up to them.
I can not stand it!
Throwing the term Satan around...
Its like when what has began coming from extremist in our country who claim to be christians. What a joke!
Not to sound like a Jesus freak but I am one=)..satan is real to me.
The fact you espouse him puts a pause in me to wonder do you in your real life do you claim a christian belief system. I wonder?
I am a christian and truthfully I say that with trepidation not to be scornful but to be mindful.
If you believe in him why not give his creator the benefit of the doubt that he has him under his foot. That he does not need you U giving lectures on who is following who.
Seriously, you believe in Satan do you not believe in God?
I wish people of faith actually believed in there faith, practiced it acording to there sacred texts from the 3 major relgions.
They would actually take much better care of there fellow man,respecting and trusting there God that leads them.
You know why you are anynmous, because you have no backbone to stand up and actually espouse your fanatical ideogly on your side with out hiding in a closet or at the icecream social where you join in on spewing mindless hate of others.
I know I have been to your meetings!
As far as I am concerned its extremism.
Just like that of HA and any other sect that pushes and prods others to believe what they believe. As a christian i take great offense to this by christians. If you are a follower of christ, I hope you actually study his tolerance and love of humanity.
Its clear throwing the name of Satan around and villifying somone based on him is definitly not Christ like,
(just in case you are one)
Its like running along side those of Ha that force there way into others lives.
Those who take there so called faiths to the extreme and destroy others, verbally and physically, as well as spirtually.
PLEASE get some tolerance without namecalling..
Why not trying to believe that the God that allowed the creation of Satan you seem to know personally when you see it has the situation well in hand.
That would be a wonderful change, because your not bringing anyone closer to your way of thinking!
To me as I read your posts it seems your allowing your own fear of the unknown and what you do not know or have an understanding undermine your own well being and that of others, be well!
btw..i would have sent this to you personally but your anoymous =)
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As for the post, thank you very much for the incite. I do hope that the bombs stop falling because when they do perhaps some sort of reasoning can come to the surface if enough voices are heard.
I hope I did not sound to harsh to anonymous, those who live to serve and practice our faiths it simply does not seem well.
I will speak for my own and we truly need as Christians to extend hands of peace to eachother even if it gets cut off..that is what we are called to do!
Blessings,
enriqueta
you write some things that are true (albeit not exigent) and many things that are nonsense. hezbollah is much more autonomous than you give credit. i don't dispute the strategic alliance between it and iran. it is in iran’s obvious interest to arm hezb to deter u.s. invasion. the u.s. can't properly strike at iran as long as hezb can retaliate against israel. i don’t know if the u.s. will strike iran but certainly they would like to. that's why the u.s. is eager to block a cease fire and green light israel’s war to take hezb out. you think the u.s. cares about a civil war in lebanon? they will surely incite one if it means removing a deterrent to invading isran. it’s the usual policy to divide and conquer.
To People of the Good Will in Lebanon.
Is it possible that You aren’t bored with Israel’s firings?! Why don’t You suppress the Hesbollah? After all, they had attacked first. We are bored with the bombardments, and we are bored to stay on Your territory. Let’s make united efforts to get rid of the Hesbollah! Let’s stop to be afraid of one another! Why, it’s clear that the war is profitable for the politicians only. They are sitting in their armchairs, they are not bombed. May Nasrallah and Olmert with their families come out for the duel! And we’ll look at them – we and You.
It's people like you who break the country apart. In this time of horror stand by your fellow countryman and don't lay the finger of blame on anyone...Do you know any Hizballah fighter? Do you know they are fighting for their homes and family's? Do you know they are AUB and LAU students who could probably drink you under the table?...I guess you didn't. Iran my ass. Iran gives them money and weapons. The fight for Lebanon comes from the heart.
You guys suck ass. The internet should be forbidden for some people. Especially Lebanese, celebrating the destruction of their country and Jews...good night
http://blacksmithsoflebanon.blogspot.com
Dear Cedar-Guardian.
I am very disappointed to find that your bigotry, hatred and ignorant finger-pointing are part of the Lebanese problem.
First of all, most of the information you give out, (Like Hassan Nasrallah being Iraqi for example)are plain wrong.
And most Lebanese Shia being Iraqi or Iranian of origin?? That's the stupidest thing anyone has ever muttered probably.
You too just look to your sect, and propagate its causes. You are no better than Hizballah.
You place blame with no evidence. (The mysteries of last years bombings and Gebran Tueni's killing suddenly are solved)
You have given other events during the civil war in Lebanon the meaning you wish them to carry. Again with no ounce of evidence.
Please for proper analysis and a fair trial for all, without any trace of sectarianism, please visit:
blacksmithsoflebanon.blogspot.com
I also would like to ask you. Had Al-Manar ridiculed Cardinal Sfeir, wouldn't the poor, religous villagers of Bsharre and Mount Lebanon have voiced words of hatred against the Shiites?
Think of it like that. Think of it objectively. Let go of your hatred and use your brain.
Your sectarianism saddens me.
Very well put. concise but tells much truth about them.
LP,
So basically, you are saying that Hezbollah is a terrorist Islamic organization like Al Qaeda. I am sorry but did you write this post to alleviate and give you blogger a breath. In other words, what happened? Were you brainwashed by Israelis’ propagandas?
Hassan Nassrallah is a Shia Muslim but that doesn’t mean he fights for Lebanese because of Islam. What is going on here? Congratulations for the Israelis’ propagandas for their success.
Nassarallah is fighting for Lebanon. He is a leader of a resistance movement. He is not fighting those occupiers because religion, not because of Islam only, it’s for the children of Lebanon, for the children of Qana, bekaah, Beirut, Soooor , all Lebanon. You think Islam encourages all Muslims to kill everyone without any reasons. He is a Muslim who fights for the dignity of his country. DO you know why? Because Islam encourages Muslims to fight for their countries. I mean doesn’t Christianity or Judaism encourage people to defend their counties in times of war!!!!!. Its shame on you as a Lebanese to hate another Lebanese because of his religion or because of his resistance movement. Nasrallah scarified his life to save Lebanon, he scarified his son Hadi who fought against the Israelis troops to sustain the freedom of southern Lebanon, to protect them from the barbarous Israelis’ troops
Moreover, no country in this whole world will accept occupation, the terrorization of its citizens and a malicious life. Israel wants to practise this right. But Israelis don’t want their neighbours to practise the right of living dignified. Nassarallah is unique; he doesn’t want to end up like any other Lebanese who is unable to defend his country in times of distress. His movement is fighting for Lebanon and terrifying the Israelis. Hezbollah abducted the 2 soldiers for one reason. To return the thousands innocent prisoners in Israeli’s jails. Nassarallh wants to return the prisoners because they are Lebanese despite of religion. He is fighting for southern Lebanon and protecting the people there when the Lebanese government failed to do so. He facilitated the life in the south when the Lebanese government failed to do so. He is not discriminative. He doesn’t fight for Shia Muslims only; he is fighting for his country, for the dignity of Lebanon. While others are doing nothing, while the Lebanese army cannot defend its country, when most Lebanese left Lebanon for their lives, He stayed and fought and thank God, he is succeeding.
Unfortunately, the Israel and U.S.A succeeded in dividing the Lebanese. Most of the political murders, even the death of Hariri was done by international Intelligence agencies.
You think that islam(the 2nd growing religion) is the root of all problems in this world. What about Christianity, Zionism, Judaism? George W. Bush, a conservative christian who believes in the bible so much? So what do you think about George Bush? a perfect christian? He started the War in Iraq and he is cheering the war on Lebanon (Because israel has the right to defend itself…ONLY israel). What do you think about the Jews?the jews who made the massacres in Lebanon and palestine.;Who kill the lebanses and palestinian civilians on daily basis ..Who destroyed the infrastrcture in Lebanon? They said that they want to destroy hezbollah but what does the civilians have to do with Hezbollah (www.jewwatch.com exposes the bloodthirsty nature of most of the jews).
You said that Iran and syria support hezbollah to defend lebanon and prevail in their battle against israelis. so what? USA supports israel in making massacres and destroying the infrastructure of lebanon. USA has the right and iran and syria have no right..what a hell is going on in this world?
Hezbollah fighters are performing an Islamic Jihad - not patriotic actions to get back a land or to liberate prisoners.
Who said this? islamic Jihad….hmm. If they are only performing jihad, they would join AlQaeda and make jihad against america. They are storng unlike most christian lebanses WHO CANNOT EVEN DO ANYTHING to defend their country!!! NASRL is a muslim. In islam and any other ideology, if your country is occupied, if your country is attcked, YOU MUST FIGHT UNTIL DEATH. in islam they call it Jihad(ENG: exertion). In other ideololgies, they give this Jihad different terms. I’ ve never thought that you,LP, don’t know this fact.
Did you see how the Jews reacted when Mel Gibson said something about them? They made him apologize. Do you get my point? What did NASRL commit in order for LBC to make fun of him? He is resisting Israelis’ occupation in the farms of Sheba and helping the people in southern Lebanon. Be respectful please!
The motto of Hezbollah is a Quranic verse that says “The party of God is the ultimate winner” God witnesses the carnages in Palestine and Lebanon and he knows where justice lies. God knows the end of this war. He knows the end of the bloodthirsty and occupiers . And we will see..
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