To put it mildly, Lebanese are unhappy.
The domestic political situation is going to drastically change in the next two days.
No maybe political statements have been made from the 14 March camp, but Druze leader and regular Lebanese rhetorical firestarter Walid Jumblatt announced that he will hold a press conference on Thursday entitled, "We will not surrender to Assad and Nasrallah's conditions."
The tone in Lebanon has already changed. According to friends in Beirut, not even the Shia were happy with Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah's post-ceasefire speech.
The Shia community is the most vulnerable right now. Hezbollah is using fierce rhetoric, most likely, to intimidate other Lebanese politicians and sects from criticizing them and to delay any talk of their disarmament. This rhetorical move is sending shivers down the spines of most Shia because now is precisely the time to talk about Hezbollah's weapons. We were talking about them before in an effort to prevent something happening like what just occurred. Now, the urgency to talk is even greater.
Hezbollah's rhetoric is frightening many Shia because they are without homes, food, electricity, medication, money, roads, utilities, and other necessities. They could take the fight against Israel. They can't take much more. And they definitely can't take arms against the people who most recently supported them when they were in need; the very people who currently in a much better state than those who lost their homes.
Many Shia claim that if Hezbollah doesn't provide them with support very soon, they will no longer be able to support the organization. Many Shia were willing to support Hezbollah through thick and thin because Hezbollah took care of them. In Dahieh Jounoubieh (the southern suburbs of Beirut which is primiarly Shia and where Hezbollah's headquarters are located), Hezbollah was referred to as chebab (guys) who took care of all sorts of mundane problems.
Now that they have truly suffered for Hezbollah, the Shia want something in return. Their houses are gone. Their furniture is gone. Their loved ones are gone. And they want to know if Hezbollah will help offset their losses. In his speech, Nasrallah claimed he would. But most likely that support will be too little, too late.
14 March Leaders
Simultaneously, Prime Minister Saniora is showing no signs of backing down. He has the support of the Arabs. He has the support of the United States, France, and the United Nations. He has the support of the majority of Lebanon.
Walid Jumblatt has all the support he needs: the support of the Druze community. PM Saniora will speak diplomatically. Jumblatt will push the envelope.
If anything, the 14 March leadership hates the Syrian regime more than before. The Arab nations seem to be ever more vexed with the Syrian regime. The promoters of Bashar Assad in the United States seem to have quieted down recently, and their voices didn't count for much, regardless.
Hezbollah does not have the strength to bully around the Lebanese government like it did before. They very well could face isolation if they do not play their cards correctly. What could aid in this occurring would be tearing Shia Parliamentary Speaker Nabih Berri away from Hezbollah. Doing so probably won't be difficult. The threat alone of freezing his bank account filled with bloody money will get him singing a different tune. We'll see if other Shia leadership, like Hussein Husseini, are willing to speak a more moderate line.
Assassinations to Come?
The main concern right now is that political assassinations will strike Lebanon again, like they did in 2005. Walid Jumblatt noted in the Wall Street Journal that he and Prime Minister Saniora are likely targets. Add to that list any Lebanese politician, especially a dissenting Shia leader, who goes against Hezbollah or the Syrian regime.
President Assad's regime threatened in July that an enlarged UN peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon would yield a consequence similar to the US Marines in '83. Assad in his speech praising Hezbollah's "victory" targeted the 14 March leadership as Israel's allies in Lebanon.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006
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Joumblatt is the only guy who is making sense now.
Unfortunately, alone, HA can make him look like a nut. Should the others Aoun, Siniora, Husseini, Berri(?) etc chime in, Nasrallah would be under tremendous pressure and something COULD get done.
Maybe a few days after the cease-fire voices will be heard, but I am not holding my breath.
And if no Shia voice is heard from the SOUTH, I will lose the little faith I have left in my countrymen and in their sanity.
(Sorry for the cut and paste)
It's very scary for all, but these leaders should know it's even scarier to keep silent and roll over at this point.
Charles,
I have to ask. Where are you getting your notion that the shia community is unhappy with HA?
I'm not in Lebanon, so I don't have much of a feel for the "street", but from whatever I can tell, the shia are still behind Nasrallah.
First Israel learned a great deal
about Hezbolla through this war...
In addition the resolution calls
for Lebanese government forces
to take over the South which is what Israel wanted ...
If Hezbolla balks at leaving the south and re-arms in the south
it will isolate them NOT Israel
Lebanon as a country got off
easy this time a great deal of destruction but few deaths ...
A simple statistic ... more Iraqi
died at the hands of other Iraqi
during the 30 days then did
Lebanese with Israel "targeting"
civilians !!!!
That is a historical fact ...
like the Holocaust ...
Lebanese must be careful ...
notice how Iran and Syria boast of Hezbollas victory ... well
did Lebanon win theis war ???
Assad prattles endlessly and uses
Lebanese people ... he attacks Israel through Lebanon
and this MUST STOP
His cities are intact ...
Are yours ???
Same as Iran !!!
1) Give your selves 3 months to get cleaned up ...and allow
families to mourn their dead
2)Then take to the streets with huge
pro Lebanon pro treaty with Israel
demonstrations
3) Israel was never your enemy
they occupied Lebanon because
thats where the PLO attacks were
coming from ... no other reason
4) Israel never wants to go back into Lebanon or Gaza ... thats why they left
5)Hezbolla must be isolated ...
The Shia of Lebanon must demand
that the ayatollahs of Iran either support peace treaty with Israel or TAKE IN ALL HEZBOLLA
INTO IRAN
6) Hezbolla needs to be come a purely social and religious entity
in Lebanon ... demand and protest
against Syria and Iran for this to Happen ....
7) Print thousands of "political parties only ...
NO INDEPENDENT MILITIAS" posters
and protest as you did in the past
In a few years US soldiers will be gone from Iraq ... in place of Saddam who brutally opressed Shia
there will be a LEGITIMATE government which is largely Shiite
So this begs the question ....
Why all the anti-USA propaganda
from Tehran ... US soldiers died
getting rid of Saddam ... more US soldiers died to give Shia majority
a chance to come forward and vote ... more US soldiers have died
fighting off remnents of Saddams Regime ....
So Lebanese and Iranian Shia
and Iraqi Shia need only ask themselves who is the real
enemy ???
Lebanese people must acknowledge historical facts and not propaganda
Very interesting analysis.
The shia expectation is intriguing. I know nothing of actual facts here but it is entirely logical. The same bread and butter issues that welded them to hizbo could logically have the reverse effect in creating alienation.
What sticks in my mind is that these are people like any other people and not just the crazed ideologues that are shown in all their propaganda video. I keep thinking of the video of the captured hizbo foot soldier and thinking that he is just like any other 22 year old kid I know and not some allahu akhbar screaming jackass.
I do believe that you are right that's it all going to happen quickly and for the same logical reasons.
Hizbo is weak now and that's why all the spin from fat boy, Assad and monkey boy in Tehran about how strong they are. They all know that this is a critical moment.
I wish I could help in some way. You guys are going to have a showdown now.
What is the on going "Black Humor"
joke ???
Answer: Syria will fight Israel
to the death ...of the last Lebanese !!!
Shia of lebanon wake up recognize
your true enemy ... its not the jews who will all be going to the beach while you will be digging
out your homes ... all Israel wants
is to be left alone ... Israel wants to give up nearly all of the West Bank ... they just do not want to give it up and then have rockets hit their cities ...
Thats why the occupy the West Bank
and thast why they are on your soil
now ... you must consider the lives
of your children to be more important then an old
grudge held by the Syrians ....
demand Hezbolla become a political party only ... march with
the christians/the druse/the sunni
and demand your new government
negotiate a PERMANENT peace
treaty with Israel
It's time to open your eyes
By Riad Ali
In February 2005, former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri was assassinated. He was among the leading opponents of Syria and its tentacles in Lebanon, including Hezbollah. Hariri was a multimillionaire and served as prime minister for many years. Unlike any other Arab or Muslim leader, Hariri offered his fellow Lebanese a secular alternative. Under his baton, a different Lebanon arose among the ruins that were left behind by the civil war and the war with Israel. A different, colorful, vibrant, ambitious and politically and culturally pluralistic Lebanon was resurrected. A Lebanon whose daughters could paddle in bathing suits at Beirut's beaches. A Lebanon where the media spoke openly about corruption, incest and homosexuality. A Lebanon that encouraged open creativity, self-criticism and freedom of thought and expression.
And then came the assassination, which more than murdering an individual wanted to slay the alternative he had offered to his people. The assassination, to the grief and dismay of the assassins, brought hundreds of thousands of Lebanese hungry for life into the streets, and at the end of the day, they expelled the Syrian army from their country.
I know that many people in the Arab and Muslim world, including Arab citizens of Israel, believe with every fiber of their being in the conspiracy theory. According to them, the hand of Israel and the West is everywhere. Israel is the mother of all evil and the root of all the problems in our region. I am not among those who say that Israel and the West are as pure as the driven snow, but I ask "the blind by choice" in the Muslim world: Who had an interest in destroying Hariri's vision? Who was threatened by the rays of light that came from Lebanon? Who did not want Lebanon to be an oasis in the heart of the dictatorships, most of which had begun to be moldy and malodorous? Israel, the United States, France, Britain? Or rather Syria, Iran and Hezbollah?
It takes intellectual and moral courage to point to the thick line connecting the assassination of Hariri to the war in southern Lebanon. I know that the fact of the word "Israel" is enough to cloud the analytical abilities of many in the Arab and Muslim world. To them, I suggest trying to take the Israeli factor out of the arena and examining the situation in Lebanon on the eve of Hariri's assassination.
A vehement debate was going on at the time in the country between Syria's opponents and supporters. It was clear as day to many Lebanese that after Israel's withdrawal from the south in May 2000 - apart from the Shaba Farms, assuming they do belong to Lebanon - the time had come to eject the Syrian occupier from there. Yes, it is necessary to call a spade a spade: "the Syrian occupier." Hariri's assassination engendered the expulsion of the Syrian army from Lebanon, but not Syrian influence. Within this puzzle, Hezbollah supported Syria and "the covenant of February 14, 2005," and Hariri's supporters demanded the dismissal of President Emile Lahoud, a supporter of Syria, and the disarming of the Hezbollah. They wanted to continue on Hariri's secular path and build a Lebanon free of foreign influence, a Lebanon in which there is freedom of religion but which is free of the cult of religion and parochialism. In short, a democratic, liberal and enlightened Lebanon.
In the eyes of "the blind by choice," Israel is always to blame. If they were to open their eyes for just a moment, they would discover that in the eyes of Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, the democracy that Hariri proposed is the mother of all evil, and not Israel. As far as they are concerned, it is better that Lebanon be bombarded with thousands of smart bombs rather than be bombed by one smart bomb of democracy. It does not take especially sensitive eyes and ears to determine that the first bullet that was fired in this war was fired on February 14, 2005, the day of Hariri's assassination.
The time has come to admit that the mother of all ills in the Arab world is the absence of a secular alternative that has the power to offer people a different way of thinking. An option that is an alternative to the one offered by political Islam. It is not the Israeli occupation that needs to be ended, but rather the fanatic religious occupation of the Arab-Muslim intellect, which is blocking the masses from the pleasure of thinking.
This is an occupation that makes astonishingly effective use of the term "Israel" as a wonder nostrum to neutralize the capacity for critical vision among the many who have frozen the clock of history at the picture of Kfar Kana, and pointed without thinking in the direction of Israel. The cancerous tumor from which the Islamic world is suffering must be initially sought in the bunkers of Al Qaeda and Hezbollah, and not in the maw of the cannon on the Israeli tank. And no - I'm still not saying that Israel is as pure as the driven snow.
In one of his brilliant comments, Ra'am-Ta'al MK Ahmed Tibi said that Israel is a country that is "democratic for its Jews and Jewish for it Arabs." You know what? My life's dream is to see one Arab country that is at least "democratic for its Muslims, and Muslim toward its minorities." Amen.
C.M.
I think you rationalize peoples behavior too much. People are not so rational and predictable. Or maybe they are predictable but not rational. They are not economic machines thinking all the time what they give and what they get instead. Its amazing that somebody from the region would try to analyse peoples attitudes along these the lines of this pseudo rational approach of modern social sciences. Were it so there would have been no conflicts whatsoever in the region and israelis and palestinians would have been busy making money in a joint state.
Practically the facts on the ground are less important than perception. Nobody knows how hard Hezbollah has been hit since they carefully avoid displaying their casualties. The important thing is the perception that they withered this storm without toning down their rethoric.
When you deal with these fanatics its symbols that are important. Fighting fundamentalists is about creating and destroying symbols. The same way they do when choosing their targets like the twin towers. In terms of symbols Hezbollah won. Nasrallah himself has become a symbol of resistance across the shiite sunni divide. That hundreds of hezbs died is unimportant. People are replaceable. The perception of victory and Nasrallah having become a symbol make the hezbollah losses irrelevant. Not only his position is not weakened, i think , its just the opposite thats true. Though i wish i could believe you are right.
wow...I have read your blog impressively, it is really informative and brought us to discussion.
power leveling
To put it mildly- Israelis are unhappy! At least me and my family and friends. Maybe it is because we're from Haifa?
Israeli student said...
To put it mildly- Israelis are unhappy! At least me and my family and friends. Maybe it is because we're from Haifa?
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unhappy ? really ? mmmm tough shit .. let us think what we can do to make you more happy
nobody, I don't ask you to do anything, just like Malik dosen't. I just stated a fact- and now I'm starting to understand what this whole anti-Tel Aviv atmosphere in the country is about. Because of people like you.
And if I ask anybody to anything, I ask my government.
(If someone didn't understand, nobody is an Israeli from Tel Aviv who think that if he shows you how he hates his fellow Israelis than you will like him).
Sorry for the spelling mistakes- I'm a bit nervous...
I was just heart broken to hear that you are so unhappy. Now after i heard that you are a bit nervous i am going to have a sleepless night
Anyway take it easy. Both countries are in deep shit now. Who argues about it?
"tearing Shia Parliamentary Speaker Nabih Berri away from Hezbollah. Doing so probably won't be difficult. The threat alone of freezing his bank account filled with bloody money will get him singing a different tune."
The cult of death mullah's and their enabler Syria and Iran are never held accountable.
Syria got away with Rafik Hariri's assassination and the U.N. has proven to be a worthless failure.
The 'free' Lebanese have proven that they will only go so far and capitulate.
And Israel has proven a paper tiger failure,who bend under the tight leash of U.S. globalist backstabbers and traitors who enforce Saudi and Egyptian demands.
The radical's who lead Hezbollah are encouraged and know they have much time,having already brushed aside all their detractors. Assassination's haven't even begun yet.
No doubt about it ,the winds of war blow strong from Iran to Lybia.
The Arab/Islamic world have awakened from their nap and
have a monumental appetite to fill.
Nasrallah and Ahmadinejad promise to prepare their feast and nothing but their defeat can stop what they are preparing against their mortal enemy Israel.
The Israel ,defanged and declawed by a trojan ally beholden to his Saudi boyfriend.
Charles
I wonder why Aoun hasn't changed his stances regarding Hizbullah? If anything his statements are getting worst than before the war. Is he not worried about his constituencies? Or are the Christians still blindly following him despite the last war?
Regards
I think you are right about the assassinations.
I also think that Olmert must go, and will go. He has been completely inept and pathetic. This will probably put Netanyahu back into the PM spot, but we'll see.
Watching this all unfold is like watching a slow moving train wreck. You know it's coming, but you don't know what to do to stop it.
Just sad.
Glad you are holding up well, LeBop, and stay strong.
abdulkarim,
I was asking myself the same question. I was expecting him to break his alliance. instead, he is now speaking in the name of HA sometimes...
go read this:
http://jeansouc.blogspot.com/2006/08/aoun-once-again-morally-and_16.html
You'll find it a good read I hope.
Many are already twisting the facts of what really happened and who came to the rescue
of Hezbollah and introduced the diplomatic measures to the U.N.
The Bush/Rice team undermined Israel and still everyone seems to be in deep denial.
The law of Israel's new religion ;
Thou shalt not speak evil of Masta George or he might remove us from our plantation
is well enforced on the Israeli right and left .
Aug 10,2006
....But then, under pressure from the US, Defense Minister Amir Peretz made a frantic call to Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz and ordered him to stop the division in its tracks. "We need to give the diplomatic process one last chance," Peretz told Halutz. The orders trickled down the chain of command and by the time they reached 366, it had already reached Marjayoun, a stone's throw from the Litani.
With the UN Security Council on the verge of passing a cease-fire resolution, the IDF understood on Thursday that Operation Change of Direction was ending, for better or for worse.
The IDF was disappointed. Senior officers said they had been looking forward to the fight. Reaching the Litani and eliminating Hizbullah from the villages on the way could have provided, senior officers believe, the victory that Israel has been trying to obtain since July 12. By Thursday night, the chance of that happening was drifting away.
The only way to hurt Hizbullah, a high-ranking officer in the Northern Command said, was to use the military. "Diplomatic processes will not achieve the right effect," he said, acknowledging that the incursion up to the Litani was not to be. "The key is the military operation. That is the only way to stop Hizbullah."
But the political echelon thinks differently, and from the first day of this war the politicians, senior officers said, held the IDF back from escalating its offensive and hitting Hizbullah hard. First it was the massive air campaign. Then came the limited, pinpoint ground raids. Only when all that failed did Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his cabinet approve a large-scale incursion into Lebanon and the re-creation of the security zone.
This wishy-washy decision-making process cost the IDF lives, according to one senior officer. "A military force always needs to be on the offensive, pushing forward and keeping the enemy on its toes," he said. "When you sit still for too long, you turn into a target and you begin to get hit again and again."
That is what has been happening. Over the past 30 days of fighting Hizbullah, the army has lost 83 soldiers, 35 of them this week. "That is what happens when you sit still and don't move," the officer said. "The enemy fortifies its positions and gains the upper hand."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525850003&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Great posts today, not only by Charles, but in the comments. I also found this article interesting:
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8256
Oh, and THANK YOU for allowing us folks who don't have Blogs to post on your Blog.
Jean said...
abdulkarim,
I was asking myself the same question. I was expecting him to break his alliance. instead, he is now speaking in the name of HA sometimes...
go read this:
http://jeansouc.blogspot.com/2006/08/aoun-once-again-morally-and_16.html
You'll find it a good read I hope.
Wed Aug 16, 09:21:17 AM PDT
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Looks like Aoun makes a full use of this situation to undermine even more the leadership of march 14 movement. The lebanese government is threatened from one side by Nasrallah, on another side Asad is calling them traitors. And now this Aoun.
Lebanese Communications Minister Marwan Hamadeh, a member of Jumblatt's party, said Wednesday that Assad's statements were testimony that the Syrian president had "returned to his old habits - murder and threatening murder."
According to Hamadeh, "Assad's threats against the Lebanese liberation movement constitute a grave turnaround in the current crisis."
"Simultaneously, Prime Minister Saniora is showing no signs of backing down. He has the support of the Arabs. "
No. He has the support of the Arab governments (or at least most of them). The Arabs are with the idiots, as usual. This makes you wonder if Arab deserve something else than dictatorships.
bad libel wrote:
" I have to ask. Where are you getting your notion that the shia community is unhappy with HA?
I'm not in Lebanon, so I don't have much of a feel for the "street", but from whatever I can tell, the shia are still behind Nasrallah."
I too am a bit curious about that.
Any reply from Charles?
New post
Syrian Jingoism hits the stratosphere
"The tone in Lebanon has already changed. According to friends in Beirut, not even the Shia were happy . . . "
Wow. Not that the media can't be wrong, but if your accurate the vast majority of the world media has missed the boat in their description of events & moods today.
How good is your source(s)?
A Lebanese general was ordered arrested Wednesday for appearing in a videotape drinking tea with Israeli soldiers who had occupied his south Lebanon barracks during their incursion of the country.
Brig. Adnan Daoud was summoned and ordered held for questioning, Interior
Minister Ahmed Fatfat said in a statement. Daoud is commanding officer of the 1,000-strong joint police-army force that had positions in southern Lebanon and was based in Marjayoun
Great post!
Today in the news,
"According to Fadlallah, who spoke with al-Jazeera, Hizbullah will not evacuate its operatives from southern Lebanon since they are the ones who populate the region. 'Any such withdrawal means the evacuation of southern Lebanon,' he said."
We Israelis moved against our own people in order to withdraw from Gaza. Why won't the Lebanese people move against their own people to kick out Hezbullah from Southern Lebanon??
I love your blogs. But you gotta stop blaming your government in egnlish and take your movement to the streets in Arabic. And coordinate with each other. Like kicking out Syria.
If you don't like your government, make marches, make protests. The blog movement is great, but it's not the final goal.
Check this post and video on the topic
http://keebsiweebsi.livejournal.com/#entry_63799
I think the U.S. strategy is to come down hard on Syria now, demanding it cut off the Hez in Lebanon militarily from the regime in Iran. With tremendous power in the financial and commercial world, with cooperaton from France, and with immense military power on the Syrian-Iraqi border, the U.S. is in a position to make Assad crawl. Either we will see new cooperation from Assad, or regime change in Syria. What other explanation is there for the U.S. approval of the ceasefire?
It is amasing how many lives a few bombs on Syrian and Iranian presidential palaces can save.
Just a question. Do you think Arab countries started to realise that promoting Jerusalem as something significant for Islam actually backfired? That Persians can steal the limelight of "fight against Zionism" start to develop fith columns inside Arab regimes?
Any chance of proper peace?
Actually, I have to agree with daniel k. Look, we built barricades on the Barricade Square in 1991, and made commies out with all their tanks, and USSR a history. I am not saying T-80s were not scary, scary as hell, we just couldn't tolerate some morons threatening us any more.
You need to start demanding peace, prosperity and civility like you would accept nothing else - and you would win.
Look at Saniora - he was betraying his own people to defend Hezbollah, and he is still a target for assassination.
I'm looking at this as a battle in an economic war.
Cash Flow Jihad Meets Aftermath
Consider this a trackback.
excerpt:
It is interesting that despite the proclamations of "victory" and early post war intrasigence, Hizbollah is giving in to the demands of the Lebanese Government (sort of) to allow the Lebanese Government to take control of South Lebanon. They still refuse to be disarmed (they promise to not carry their arms openly), they still claim the right to "resist" the Israelis, but they have done nothing that would renew the hostilities.
This is a mystery. They are not acting victorious. They are not dictating terms (much). They are submitting to the Lebanese Army and French peacekeepers under a UN mandate. Why would that be?
--snip--
The Jihadis are getting strangled by the lack of bits on computer networks. Since bits are practically free it is the control of the networks that count. And who controls the networks? The Great Satan.
Blockade is a slow form of warfare however, it slowly weakens and then kills the ability to resist. By creating such huge economic losses for Iran ( Syria is broke and full of refugees ) Israel has speeded up the action of the cash flow Jihad.
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The ground war was cover for what the important stuff was. Destroying a lot of Iranian assets and giving them 200,000 or more people to take care of.
What's with this threatening tone. Are you telling shia that from now on it will be the warlords' rules? that corrupted sunni politicians will continue their theft. That the one that comes against 14March, is a Syrian agent, and needs an Israeli bomb over his house?
The HA weapons were discussed at a moment were fierce fighting was still underway. If the future Lebanon is a Lebanon of democracy, then the logic of blackmail should not exist. Mafia-politicians like Mikkati, Hariri, Jumblatt are not in a position dictate their rules on honest people. It is time to kick out of the political world (former Syria- now )US-backed PROFITEERS.
so what are you saying, Charles? that we were better off united against this mutual enemy miserable in a war? you'll have to back up this unity now and fight for your country. it's time to stand up and have the spine, the army and the order that's so hard to impose on those war lords Lebanon's made of. i don't want to see our soldiers back there anymore than you do...
lebanon Survives once again, But will Syria of Assad
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