The situation is out of control. According to other bloggers, Hassan Nasrallah does not have control over his own followers.
Even worse, Syria is most likely unleashing its worst guard dogs from the Palestinian camps and SSNP training grounds.
The only way this situation will be resolved is if Hezbollah chooses to do the right thing. For the sake of the country, Nasrallah has to turn on those he has been protecting: Jund al-Sham, PFLP, Islamic Jihad, SSNP, and the Syrian regime.
Nasrallah constantly claims to be Lebanese. If he really is, then he won't let his country burn, even though he started the fire.
In typical Lebanese fashion, though, he probably won't rise to the occassion.
Maybe it's because I'm not in Lebanon right now and viewing everything through biased media, but the images sure look like war. The Army aided the opposition's insurgency, and things are now escalating into sectarian conflict.
I wonder if my airline ticket back to Beirut will be valid next week.
Thursday, January 25, 2007
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One can only agree with Mr. Malik's position, and, like him hope, perhaps forlornly, that Hezbollah's leader will realize that he is a Lebanese, and, turn his back on his foreign master's in Persia and Syria. Then and only then, can Hezbollah regain even a shred of the legitimacy that it once (mistakenly perhaps) possessed. At the present time, what is required is the all of Lebanon's people, and, especially the Christian population, regroup behind the government and the 14th March coalition. Otherwise, all that has been gained over the last
two+ years will be lost.
hehe,
i once accused Charles of being nothing else than an LFer and he went ballistic....
I don't agree with HA and yes they are a lot of mistakes and are too violent.. but i am yet to found you commenting on the "civilized" LF behavior of Last Tuesday...
or perhaps civility requires you to consider their actions reasonable...
don't be shy, reveal that you support murderers...
kappa
dude, this guy, author should work with CNN, he sure got their mentality without taking all dimensions
The situation is out of control. According to other bloggers, Hassan Nasrallah does not have control over his own followers.
"Bossing around Lebanese is like herding cats. We're a bunch of prima donnas who refuse to cooperate with ourselves, let alone others."
S.N.A.F.U.
What media do you follow Charles?
From my perspective, the pro-Govt supporters were just as violent (if not more so) as the anti-govt supporters.
You are hell-bent on blaming this on HA, when in truth both sides are the cause of this. Both are stubborn and provoking each other and building hatred.
The government had plenty of warning that this was coming and they would not compromise. Instead they chose to forge ahead with things that would only provoke the mad HA men.
The violence on the street by the minions reflects their masters personalties. Both March14 and the Opposition.
When dealing with a group like HA, Saniora could have been much wiser. Compromise, and then work towards his goals. Instead he acted like George Bush.
This article from the Daily Star expressed the situation quit succinctly .
http://dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&article_id=78961&categ_id=17
R. Fisk writes that Hizballah was not responsible for the violence
"Indeed, the inter-Christian war, in retrospect, was probably the most vicious of the day. Most of the wounded were hurt when Geagea's men tried to stop supporters of the Maronite ex-general Michel Aoun blocking roads outside the capital. Through some odd and tragic tradition of history, the Christian communities in Lebanon have often fought cruel battles with each other. Aoun and Geagea's forces killed each other at the end of the civil war. Even during the Crusades, the Christians of Tyre fought each other when Salahedin was at their gates."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2183870.ece
karlos...HA is to blame, as is Aoun. Think about what you are saying...regardless of anything, this Government was elected democratically, maybe it wasn't perfect, but the process needs respected. Pro-Gov is responding to the sickening antics put forth from HA/Aoun. The opposition demonstrated, even put tents downtown illegally, we didn't like it, but there was still relative peace, your side on the other hand was the aggressor, we didn't burn cars, portable rest rooms complete with waste, block roads and hindering the freedom of others, the violence members of the Government put forth was in response.
I don't think that the situation is totally out of control.
It can still be defused, maybe by going to fresh elections...
Cause and effect: Nassy playing stupid with his supporters.
Think about this, Nasrallah provokes war by going on the offense with Israel, scratches head and wonders why israel became the aggressor, gets beat to smithereens along with lebanon's infrastructure, cries for a cease fire, then claims victory.
Nasrallah/Aounallah provokes war with the Government by demonstrating radically and terrorizing others, scratches heads and still wonders why Gov. members defended themselves from the aggression. then proclaims victory once again.
WOW, according to "Nasty Nassy" he's undefeated. What a delusional guy. Seems to me the Gov and the rest of the fine people of Lebanon have the larger cause to take up the campaign of "the resistance" against
Nasrallah/Aounallah.
"Jund al-Sham"????
Give me a break.
What an idiot this Robert Fisk. The video is absolutely clear that the car smashers and rock throwers were Hezbolla thugs, issued with a standard baton. There were no orange clad Aounists smashing cars or interrogating and beating up civilians. Robert Fisk is a reactionary pro-Islamist, reflecting the sorry state of leftism today: lying, obfuscating, and supporting nationalism/ socialism.
karlos, are you blind or what? Who was smashing the 1,000 cars? Who was attacking the shops and entered neighborhoods that he did not belong to? Who was sniping?
These were all Nasrolla/Syria/Khamenei/Mohtashami people.
Mike, you are probably right that the violence was provoked. But equally, the strike was provoked too. The govt should not have let it get that far. they should have compromised.
Yohay, i agree with you on this. Fresh elections are a demand of the opposition are they not?
Anon, I wasn't there, Robert Fisk was. Fisk tells it like he sees it and has been critical of Hezbollah many times in the past few months. He's no Islamic lackey.
I really hope the politicians can work this out. I don't think it would be difficult, but some pride has to be lost on both sides. One thing Lebanese hate to lose if face.
dear Charles,
I understand your passion, but you are right: you are not here now, and you are not watching the local media to see what is going on.
How is your internet access there? You can stream most of the tv channels and radio stations, which might help you feel more connected - and less at sea regarding what has actually been happening here.
Mustaqbal's media outlets spent all afternoon yesterday turning themselves into knots trying to avoid saying that their supporters started the fight in Tarek Jdideh. They didn't even try to accuse Hizbullah - some lies are too bald-faced to make it even on Lebanese tv.
As for HA "protecting" Jund al-Sham in particular: to the extent that the jund exists, its ideology is strictly hard-line Sunni. You may not like Nasrallah, but accusing him of such a self-defeating action helps you no more than supporting the Jund would help Lebanon's (or the world's) Shi3a.
look forward to seeing you here late next week!
This is a battle for power, but unfortunately it's not done via democratic means. Hezb and Aoun are mocking democracy by acting this way from the beginning of the escalation.
Even if there are 5 million Shia living in the south, that doesn't grant them the right of majority or governance over Lebanon.
And on the claims that Siniora' gvt is corrupt, I would rather have a corrupt, but competent person in charge vs. an honest imbecile.
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Anon, Please tell how this is remotely justified:
"Even if there are 5 million Shia living in the south, that doesn't grant them the right of majority or governance over Lebanon."
Karlos,
Surprised how you can buy the words of this PLO fed and bred hypocrite Robert Fisk (Fiasco)...as for reporting things as he sees them, certainly, but he sees them from the wide window of his Palestinian and european liberal leftist legacy, the anti-fascist fascists of secularism who have now awaken to the callings of cultural relativism. This is not the first time I try to bring this point forward and I wish that once and for all we let this Robert Fiiasco story fully revealed...
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All,
Once-more I plead that we give up this essentialist stance of branding people by their sects...what we are facing here is a new look of fascism under guise of sect or religion or whatever you may call it...the fact that a majority of shia support this should neither prompt us to brand it as a shia movement, nor should we fear of exposing any fascist shia as shia for fear of sectarianism. just name things as they are and who ever entices such a political agenda is either being misled (like the majority of the shia, some of the sunni, some of the christians, etc.), or has a selfish (may i say materialist) interest (like Hassy and the General!!!)the moral of the story is that it is fascism that we are against and it is an open, law-abiding and universalist society that we stand for...
aboujahl
Very interesting aboujahl,
Please tell me more about Fisk being fed and bred by the PLO. Sounds like non-sense to me, but I am open to learning more. Should I email you?
With regards to the new fascism, I accept that Syria, Iran etc.. can be construed as fascist... one could equally argue that US and Israeli policy and actions are also fascist. SO which nazi do you want, the one on the left or the one on the right?
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